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UltrAtomic clock.

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Dan Kemppainen
Sun, Nov 5, 2017 2:23 PM

Hi all,

So, anyone notice what time their UltrAtomic clock did the dst change?

Mine didn't change last night. Time has been right since it first set itself, so, I'm suspecting it's getting signal. ( We're in northern Michigan, eastern time zone.)

Anyone else have a clock that missed dst change?

Dan

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Hi all, So, anyone notice what time their UltrAtomic clock did the dst change? Mine didn't change last night. Time has been right since it first set itself, so, I'm suspecting it's getting signal. ( We're in northern Michigan, eastern time zone.) Anyone else have a clock that missed dst change? Dan -- Sent from my phone.
PV
Peter Vince
Sun, Nov 5, 2017 2:38 PM

Hi Dan,

 I can't answer directly as I am in England, but I have a similar

problem with my MSF and DCF clocks here in the autumn (sorry, "Fall" :-) -
my clocks only switch on their receivers once a day, at 1 o'clock in the
morning, but at the end of summer our time doesn't change until 2 o'clock,
so the clocks miss the update until the following night.  Maybe yours is
similar?

 Regards,

      Peter

On 5 November 2017 at 14:23, Dan Kemppainen dan@irtelemetrics.com wrote:

Hi all,

So, anyone notice what time their UltrAtomic clock did the dst change?

Mine didn't change last night. Time has been right since it first set
itself, so, I'm suspecting it's getting signal. ( We're in northern
Michigan, eastern time zone.)

Anyone else have a clock that missed dst change?

Dan

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Hi Dan, I can't answer directly as I am in England, but I have a similar problem with my MSF and DCF clocks here in the autumn (sorry, "Fall" :-) - my clocks only switch on their receivers once a day, at 1 o'clock in the morning, but at the end of summer our time doesn't change until 2 o'clock, so the clocks miss the update until the following night. Maybe yours is similar? Regards, Peter On 5 November 2017 at 14:23, Dan Kemppainen <dan@irtelemetrics.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > So, anyone notice what time their UltrAtomic clock did the dst change? > > Mine didn't change last night. Time has been right since it first set > itself, so, I'm suspecting it's getting signal. ( We're in northern > Michigan, eastern time zone.) > > Anyone else have a clock that missed dst change? > > Dan > > > -- > Sent from my phone. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Bob kb8tq
Sun, Nov 5, 2017 3:48 PM

Hi

All of the ones here (a fairly large sample :) ) seem to have changed “on time”.
I’m in Pennsylvania so not exactly close to WWVB. They are various brands
and various ages. None of them (yet) are the fancy new ones that do the “improved”
modulation.

Bob

On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Dan Kemppainen dan@irtelemetrics.com wrote:

Hi all,

So, anyone notice what time their UltrAtomic clock did the dst change?

Mine didn't change last night. Time has been right since it first set itself, so, I'm suspecting it's getting signal. ( We're in northern Michigan, eastern time zone.)

Anyone else have a clock that missed dst change?

Dan

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Hi All of the ones here (a fairly large sample :) ) seem to have changed “on time”. I’m in Pennsylvania so not exactly close to WWVB. They are various brands and various ages. None of them (yet) are the fancy new ones that do the “improved” modulation. Bob > On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Dan Kemppainen <dan@irtelemetrics.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > So, anyone notice what time their UltrAtomic clock did the dst change? > > Mine didn't change last night. Time has been right since it first set itself, so, I'm suspecting it's getting signal. ( We're in northern Michigan, eastern time zone.) > > Anyone else have a clock that missed dst change? > > Dan > > > -- > Sent from my phone. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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Mike Garvey
Sun, Nov 5, 2017 4:36 PM

My Ultratomic properly made the transition back to std time this morning.  I am in the Boston area.
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob kb8tq
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 10:49
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] UltrAtomic clock.

Hi

All of the ones here (a fairly large sample :) ) seem to have changed “on time”.
I’m in Pennsylvania so not exactly close to WWVB. They are various brands and various ages. None of them (yet) are the fancy new ones that do the “improved”
modulation.

Bob

On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Dan Kemppainen dan@irtelemetrics.com wrote:

Hi all,

So, anyone notice what time their UltrAtomic clock did the dst change?

Mine didn't change last night. Time has been right since it first set
itself, so, I'm suspecting it's getting signal. ( We're in northern
Michigan, eastern time zone.)

Anyone else have a clock that missed dst change?

Dan

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My Ultratomic properly made the transition back to std time this morning. I am in the Boston area. Mike -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob kb8tq Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 10:49 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] UltrAtomic clock. Hi All of the ones here (a fairly large sample :) ) seem to have changed “on time”. I’m in Pennsylvania so not exactly close to WWVB. They are various brands and various ages. None of them (yet) are the fancy new ones that do the “improved” modulation. Bob > On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Dan Kemppainen <dan@irtelemetrics.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > So, anyone notice what time their UltrAtomic clock did the dst change? > > Mine didn't change last night. Time has been right since it first set > itself, so, I'm suspecting it's getting signal. ( We're in northern > Michigan, eastern time zone.) > > Anyone else have a clock that missed dst change? > > Dan > > > -- > Sent from my phone. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Tom Van Baak
Sun, Nov 5, 2017 8:31 PM

So, anyone notice what time their UltrAtomic clock did the dst change?

Mine didn't change last night. Time has been right since it first set itself, so, I'm suspecting it's getting signal. ( We're in northern Michigan, eastern time zone.)

Hi Dan,

One of the advantages of the UltrAtomic clock is that it makes use of the enhanced WWVB encoding format. That new format is specifically designed to solve DST / reception problems:

https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2017/05/09/NIST-Enhanced-WWVB-Broadcast-Format-1_01-2013-11-06.pdf

So your results are perplexing. When you say "time has been right since it first set itself" are you talking within minutes, or seconds, or fractions of a second? That would tell us if it has been receiving ok over the past week or month.

Also, can you check what your DST / Q-mode / Eco-mode switches are set to?

http://www.lacrossetechnology.com/media/catalog/product/4/0/404-1235ua-ss_manual_092316.pdf

Thanks,
/tvb

> So, anyone notice what time their UltrAtomic clock did the dst change? > > Mine didn't change last night. Time has been right since it first set itself, so, I'm suspecting it's getting signal. ( We're in northern Michigan, eastern time zone.) Hi Dan, One of the advantages of the UltrAtomic clock is that it makes use of the enhanced WWVB encoding format. That new format is specifically designed to solve DST / reception problems: https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2017/05/09/NIST-Enhanced-WWVB-Broadcast-Format-1_01-2013-11-06.pdf So your results are perplexing. When you say "time has been right since it first set itself" are you talking within minutes, or seconds, or fractions of a second? That would tell us if it has been receiving ok over the past week or month. Also, can you check what your DST / Q-mode / Eco-mode switches are set to? http://www.lacrossetechnology.com/media/catalog/product/4/0/404-1235ua-ss_manual_092316.pdf Thanks, /tvb
DG
David G. McGaw
Mon, Nov 6, 2017 1:47 AM

We have a number of the UltrAtomic clocks in our Physics classrooms at
Dartmouth in NH because they are in well shielded, interior rooms and a
noisy environment.  Lesser clocks do not sync.  They all switched properly.

Perhaps of interest, I was able to receive the new code reliably with an
evaluation receiver in Kangerlussuaq, Greenland last spring.

David N1HAC

On 11/5/17 11:36 AM, Mike Garvey wrote:

My Ultratomic properly made the transition back to std time this morning.  I am in the Boston area.
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob kb8tq
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 10:49
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] UltrAtomic clock.

Hi

All of the ones here (a fairly large sample :) ) seem to have changed “on time”.
I’m in Pennsylvania so not exactly close to WWVB. They are various brands and various ages. None of them (yet) are the fancy new ones that do the “improved”
modulation.

Bob

On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Dan Kemppainen dan@irtelemetrics.com wrote:

Hi all,

So, anyone notice what time their UltrAtomic clock did the dst change?

Mine didn't change last night. Time has been right since it first set
itself, so, I'm suspecting it's getting signal. ( We're in northern
Michigan, eastern time zone.)

Anyone else have a clock that missed dst change?

Dan

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We have a number of the UltrAtomic clocks in our Physics classrooms at Dartmouth in NH because they are in well shielded, interior rooms and a noisy environment.  Lesser clocks do not sync.  They all switched properly. Perhaps of interest, I was able to receive the new code reliably with an evaluation receiver in Kangerlussuaq, Greenland last spring. David N1HAC On 11/5/17 11:36 AM, Mike Garvey wrote: > My Ultratomic properly made the transition back to std time this morning. I am in the Boston area. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob kb8tq > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 10:49 > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] UltrAtomic clock. > > Hi > > All of the ones here (a fairly large sample :) ) seem to have changed “on time”. > I’m in Pennsylvania so not exactly close to WWVB. They are various brands and various ages. None of them (yet) are the fancy new ones that do the “improved” > modulation. > > Bob > >> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Dan Kemppainen <dan@irtelemetrics.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> So, anyone notice what time their UltrAtomic clock did the dst change? >> >> Mine didn't change last night. Time has been right since it first set >> itself, so, I'm suspecting it's getting signal. ( We're in northern >> Michigan, eastern time zone.) >> >> Anyone else have a clock that missed dst change? >> >> Dan >> >> >> -- >> Sent from my phone. >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.febo.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftime-nuts&data=02%7C01%7Cdavid.g.mcgaw%40dartmouth.edu%7Ccef2df394fa747bcd62b08d5246b6a77%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C636454966126208519&sdata=IhuLP0ZMvFF5%2By23KURDMwZlmyLfzvG6Yw8WV7nh6%2FA%3D&reserved=0 >> and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.febo.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftime-nuts&data=02%7C01%7Cdavid.g.mcgaw%40dartmouth.edu%7Ccef2df394fa747bcd62b08d5246b6a77%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C636454966126208519&sdata=IhuLP0ZMvFF5%2By23KURDMwZlmyLfzvG6Yw8WV7nh6%2FA%3D&reserved=0 > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.febo.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftime-nuts&data=02%7C01%7Cdavid.g.mcgaw%40dartmouth.edu%7Ccef2df394fa747bcd62b08d5246b6a77%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C636454966126208519&sdata=IhuLP0ZMvFF5%2By23KURDMwZlmyLfzvG6Yw8WV7nh6%2FA%3D&reserved=0 > and follow the instructions there.