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Unable to zero 3420B on 10**5 sensitivity

DF
Dr. Frank
Mon, Nov 13, 2017 10:14 PM

David,

I've thought a bit further about this excessive offset  of at least 8µV.
That could be simply due to excessive offset of the DC amplifier part of
the meter amplifier, caused by ageing, i.e. drifted resistors or faulty
elctrolytics.

The chopper has about 5000x ac gain, due to rectification, that's about
2500x effective dc gain.

So these 8µV translate into 20mV too much of dc offset of the dc
amplifier. How the 1V zero (R16) affects the DC amplifier offset, I
don't comprehend yet.

But the next step is to check the DC amplifier.

Frank

David, I've thought a bit further about this excessive offset  of at least 8µV. That could be simply due to excessive offset of the DC amplifier part of the meter amplifier, caused by ageing, i.e. drifted resistors or faulty elctrolytics. The chopper has about 5000x ac gain, due to rectification, that's about 2500x effective dc gain. So these 8µV translate into 20mV too much of dc offset of the dc amplifier. How the 1V zero (R16) affects the DC amplifier offset, I don't comprehend yet. But the next step is to check the DC amplifier. Frank
HD
Howard Davidson
Tue, Nov 14, 2017 2:52 AM

I have worked on H-P instruments that use the photo-choppers. One failure mode is degradation of the neon lamps in the chopper. With use some metal from the electrodes is sputtered onto the inside surface of the glass envelope. This dimms the bulb, and buries some of the neon. I have restored the choppers by replacing the neon lamps.
 hld

Howard L. Davidson
hld42@att.net

  From: Dr. Frank <frank.stellmach@freenet.de>

To: volt-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:16 PM
Subject: [volt-nuts] Unable to zero 3420B on 10**5 sensitivity

David,

I've thought a bit further about this excessive offset  of at least 8µV.
That could be simply due to excessive offset of the DC amplifier part of
the meter amplifier, caused by ageing, i.e. drifted resistors or faulty
elctrolytics.

The chopper has about 5000x ac gain, due to rectification, that's about
2500x effective dc gain.

So these 8µV translate into 20mV too much of dc offset of the dc
amplifier. How the 1V zero (R16) affects the DC amplifier offset, I
don't comprehend yet.

But the next step is to check the DC amplifier.

Frank


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I have worked on H-P instruments that use the photo-choppers. One failure mode is degradation of the neon lamps in the chopper. With use some metal from the electrodes is sputtered onto the inside surface of the glass envelope. This dimms the bulb, and buries some of the neon. I have restored the choppers by replacing the neon lamps.  hld Howard L. Davidson hld42@att.net From: Dr. Frank <frank.stellmach@freenet.de> To: volt-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:16 PM Subject: [volt-nuts] Unable to zero 3420B on 10**5 sensitivity David, I've thought a bit further about this excessive offset  of at least 8µV. That could be simply due to excessive offset of the DC amplifier part of the meter amplifier, caused by ageing, i.e. drifted resistors or faulty elctrolytics. The chopper has about 5000x ac gain, due to rectification, that's about 2500x effective dc gain. So these 8µV translate into 20mV too much of dc offset of the dc amplifier. How the 1V zero (R16) affects the DC amplifier offset, I don't comprehend yet. But the next step is to check the DC amplifier. Frank _______________________________________________ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there.