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TK
Tom Knox
Sun, Jun 19, 2016 1:17 AM

Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping 3120A Phase Noise test sets  beside that they are not to spec?

Thanks;

Thomas Knox

Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping 3120A Phase Noise test sets beside that they are not to spec? Thanks; Thomas Knox
JM
John Miles
Sun, Jun 19, 2016 3:00 AM

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Knox
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:17 PM
To: Time-Nuts
Subject: [time-nuts] 3120A issues

Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping 3120A
Phase Noise test sets  beside that they are not to spec?

It looks like they're still advertising the 3120A on their site.  I'm pretty far out of the loop at this point, but if they're having production-test problems, I haven't heard anything about them at all -- and I normally would, if they're having problems passing the factory tests.  Is that what you meant by "to spec?"

-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC

> -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Knox > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:17 PM > To: Time-Nuts > Subject: [time-nuts] 3120A issues > > Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping 3120A > Phase Noise test sets beside that they are not to spec? > It looks like they're still advertising the 3120A on their site. I'm pretty far out of the loop at this point, but if they're having production-test problems, I haven't heard anything about them at all -- and I normally would, if they're having problems passing the factory tests. Is that what you meant by "to spec?" -- john, KE5FX Miles Design LLC
J
jimlux
Sun, Jun 19, 2016 3:30 AM

On 6/18/16 6:17 PM, Tom Knox wrote:

Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping 3120A Phase Noise test sets  beside that they are not to spec?

They're shipping them.. I got quoted a 12 week delivery in April, $9k
for the box, about $12k-15k for the software, although I find that the
Microsemi site doesn't really explain what the various software options are.

On 6/18/16 6:17 PM, Tom Knox wrote: > Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping 3120A Phase Noise test sets beside that they are not to spec? > They're shipping them.. I got quoted a 12 week delivery in April, $9k for the box, about $12k-15k for the software, although I find that the Microsemi site doesn't really explain what the various software options are.
TK
Tom Knox
Sun, Jun 19, 2016 4:50 AM

Hi All;

This was the email a friend recently received.

The 3120A product is currently on hold until Microsemi implements a solution.  If you would like for Microsemi to sell this 3120A product to you and process your purchase order -Sales Order notwithstanding that these products do not meet published specifications, please reply to this email that you acknowledge and understand these products may be non-conforming and agree to purchase these non-conforming products in accordance with the terms hereof.  Microsemi's terms and conditions, which were provided to you in our sales order acknowledgment and which can also be found on http://www.microsemi.com/terms-a-conditions, will govern the sales of our products and this Order.  In addition and notwithstanding anything to the contrary contained in such terms, these 3120A products come only with our standard replacement warranty of twelve (12) months.  Accordingly, Microsemi will provide you with a replacement product upon receipt from you of the non-conforming product within the above twelve (12) months period, which is your exclusive remedy and Microsemi's exclusive liability for any claims in connection with these products and Order, howsoever arising.  Please reply with your acknowledgement.

Microsemihttp://www.microsemi.com/terms-a-conditions
www.microsemi.com
Microsemi Corporation (Nasdaq: MSCC) offers a comprehensive portfolio of semiconductor and system solutions for aerospace & defense, communications, data center and ...

If we do not receive your acknowledgement, Microsemi will keep your order in our backlog, and ship when we have implemented a solution that allows us to meet the RoHS criteria and apply the CE mark and label."

Not really any details onnthe issue.

Thanks

Thomas Knox


From: time-nuts time-nuts-bounces@febo.com on behalf of John Miles john@miles.io
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 9:00 PM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 3120A issues

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Knox
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:17 PM
To: Time-Nuts
Subject: [time-nuts] 3120A issues

Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping 3120A
Phase Noise test sets  beside that they are not to spec?

It looks like they're still advertising the 3120A on their site.  I'm pretty far out of the loop at this point, but if they're having production-test problems, I haven't heard anything about them at all -- and I normally would, if they're having problems passing the factory tests.  Is that what you meant by "to spec?"

-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC


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Hi All; This was the email a friend recently received. The 3120A product is currently on hold until Microsemi implements a solution. If you would like for Microsemi to sell this 3120A product to you and process your purchase order -Sales Order notwithstanding that these products do not meet published specifications, please reply to this email that you acknowledge and understand these products may be non-conforming and agree to purchase these non-conforming products in accordance with the terms hereof. Microsemi's terms and conditions, which were provided to you in our sales order acknowledgment and which can also be found on http://www.microsemi.com/terms-a-conditions, will govern the sales of our products and this Order. In addition and notwithstanding anything to the contrary contained in such terms, these 3120A products come only with our standard replacement warranty of twelve (12) months. Accordingly, Microsemi will provide you with a replacement product upon receipt from you of the non-conforming product within the above twelve (12) months period, which is your exclusive remedy and Microsemi's exclusive liability for any claims in connection with these products and Order, howsoever arising. Please reply with your acknowledgement. Microsemi<http://www.microsemi.com/terms-a-conditions> www.microsemi.com Microsemi Corporation (Nasdaq: MSCC) offers a comprehensive portfolio of semiconductor and system solutions for aerospace & defense, communications, data center and ... If we do not receive your acknowledgement, Microsemi will keep your order in our backlog, and ship when we have implemented a solution that allows us to meet the RoHS criteria and apply the CE mark and label." Not really any details onnthe issue. Thanks Thomas Knox ________________________________ From: time-nuts <time-nuts-bounces@febo.com> on behalf of John Miles <john@miles.io> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 9:00 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 3120A issues > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Knox > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:17 PM > To: Time-Nuts > Subject: [time-nuts] 3120A issues > > Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping 3120A > Phase Noise test sets beside that they are not to spec? > It looks like they're still advertising the 3120A on their site. I'm pretty far out of the loop at this point, but if they're having production-test problems, I haven't heard anything about them at all -- and I normally would, if they're having problems passing the factory tests. Is that what you meant by "to spec?" -- john, KE5FX Miles Design LLC _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
JM
John Miles
Sun, Jun 19, 2016 5:41 AM

On 6/18/16 6:17 PM, Tom Knox wrote:

Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping

3120A Phase Noise test sets  beside that they are not to spec?

They're shipping them.. I got quoted a 12 week delivery in April, $9k
for the box, about $12k-15k for the software, although I find that the
Microsemi site doesn't really explain what the various software options are.

Briefly --

'Signal Statistics' = you can display the non-ADEV deviation types (MDEV, HDEV, TDEV) and enable the various integrated noise/jitter options for display in the legend table below the plot

'AM Noise' = you can enable AM noise measurements in the acquisition dialog

'Frequency Counter' = you can display the high-precision frequency-count chart alongside a Frequency Difference plot

'Mask Test' = you can display pass/fail status and margin values in the legend table below the plot.  Mask limit lines can be displayed on the plot without this option, but the program won't evaluate them (or allow automated test scripts to access them) without it.

-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC

> On 6/18/16 6:17 PM, Tom Knox wrote: > > Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping > 3120A Phase Noise test sets beside that they are not to spec? > > > They're shipping them.. I got quoted a 12 week delivery in April, $9k > for the box, about $12k-15k for the software, although I find that the > Microsemi site doesn't really explain what the various software options are. > Briefly -- 'Signal Statistics' = you can display the non-ADEV deviation types (MDEV, HDEV, TDEV) and enable the various integrated noise/jitter options for display in the legend table below the plot 'AM Noise' = you can enable AM noise measurements in the acquisition dialog 'Frequency Counter' = you can display the high-precision frequency-count chart alongside a Frequency Difference plot 'Mask Test' = you can display pass/fail status and margin values in the legend table below the plot. Mask limit lines can be displayed on the plot without this option, but the program won't evaluate them (or allow automated test scripts to access them) without it. -- john, KE5FX Miles Design LLC
BG
Bruce Griffiths
Sun, Jun 19, 2016 8:46 AM

It almost sounds like something has been found not to be ROHS compliant.Could be as simple as the alodined (conventional process uses hexavalent chromium ) case or perhaps a non ROHS part was used.
Bruce

On Sunday, 19 June 2016 8:02 PM, John Miles <john@miles.io> wrote:

On 6/18/16 6:17 PM, Tom Knox wrote:

Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping

3120A Phase Noise test sets  beside that they are not to spec?

They're shipping them.. I got quoted a 12 week delivery in April, $9k
for the box, about $12k-15k for the software, although I find that the
Microsemi site doesn't really explain what the various software options are.

Briefly --

'Signal Statistics' = you can display the non-ADEV deviation types (MDEV, HDEV, TDEV) and enable the various integrated noise/jitter options for display in the legend table below the plot

'AM Noise' = you can enable AM noise measurements in the acquisition dialog

'Frequency Counter' = you can display the high-precision frequency-count chart alongside a Frequency Difference plot

'Mask Test' = you can display pass/fail status and margin values in the legend table below the plot.  Mask limit lines can be displayed on the plot without this option, but the program won't evaluate them (or allow automated test scripts to access them) without it.

-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC


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It almost sounds like something has been found not to be ROHS compliant.Could be as simple as the alodined (conventional process uses hexavalent chromium ) case or perhaps a non ROHS part was used. Bruce On Sunday, 19 June 2016 8:02 PM, John Miles <john@miles.io> wrote: > On 6/18/16 6:17 PM, Tom Knox wrote: > > Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping > 3120A Phase Noise test sets  beside that they are not to spec? > > > They're shipping them.. I got quoted a 12 week delivery in April, $9k > for the box, about $12k-15k for the software, although I find that the > Microsemi site doesn't really explain what the various software options are. > Briefly -- 'Signal Statistics' = you can display the non-ADEV deviation types (MDEV, HDEV, TDEV) and enable the various integrated noise/jitter options for display in the legend table below the plot 'AM Noise' = you can enable AM noise measurements in the acquisition dialog 'Frequency Counter' = you can display the high-precision frequency-count chart alongside a Frequency Difference plot 'Mask Test' = you can display pass/fail status and margin values in the legend table below the plot.  Mask limit lines can be displayed on the plot without this option, but the program won't evaluate them (or allow automated test scripts to access them) without it. -- john, KE5FX Miles Design LLC _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
BC
Bob Camp
Sun, Jun 19, 2016 12:45 PM

Hi

The key sentence does appear to be the last one in the email they sent. There are a lot of ways
to trip over the ROHS stuff. The guessing game contest now does turn into a “pick a part” exercise.
There are an enormous number of mistakes that somebody / somewhere in the supply chain could
have made…

Since it appears to be CE related, I would bet it is a ROHS phase in issue. Thus they still ship to the
US, but not to Europe. So, what’s different on ROHS in the US vs Europe this week that wasn’t different say a
year ago?

Bob

On Jun 19, 2016, at 4:46 AM, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffiths@xtra.co.nz wrote:

It almost sounds like something has been found not to be ROHS compliant.Could be as simple as the alodined (conventional process uses hexavalent chromium ) case or perhaps a non ROHS part was used.
Bruce

On Sunday, 19 June 2016 8:02 PM, John Miles <john@miles.io> wrote:

On 6/18/16 6:17 PM, Tom Knox wrote:

Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping

3120A Phase Noise test sets  beside that they are not to spec?

They're shipping them.. I got quoted a 12 week delivery in April, $9k
for the box, about $12k-15k for the software, although I find that the
Microsemi site doesn't really explain what the various software options are.

Briefly --

'Signal Statistics' = you can display the non-ADEV deviation types (MDEV, HDEV, TDEV) and enable the various integrated noise/jitter options for display in the legend table below the plot

'AM Noise' = you can enable AM noise measurements in the acquisition dialog

'Frequency Counter' = you can display the high-precision frequency-count chart alongside a Frequency Difference plot

'Mask Test' = you can display pass/fail status and margin values in the legend table below the plot.  Mask limit lines can be displayed on the plot without this option, but the program won't evaluate them (or allow automated test scripts to access them) without it.

-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC


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Hi The key sentence does appear to be the last one in the email they sent. There are a lot of ways to trip over the ROHS stuff. The guessing game contest now does turn into a “pick a part” exercise. There are an enormous number of mistakes that somebody / somewhere in the supply chain could have made… Since it appears to be CE related, I would bet it is a ROHS phase in issue. Thus they still ship to the US, but not to Europe. So, what’s different on ROHS in the US vs Europe this week that wasn’t different say a year ago? Bob > On Jun 19, 2016, at 4:46 AM, Bruce Griffiths <bruce.griffiths@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > It almost sounds like something has been found not to be ROHS compliant.Could be as simple as the alodined (conventional process uses hexavalent chromium ) case or perhaps a non ROHS part was used. > Bruce > > > On Sunday, 19 June 2016 8:02 PM, John Miles <john@miles.io> wrote: > > >> On 6/18/16 6:17 PM, Tom Knox wrote: >>> Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping >> 3120A Phase Noise test sets beside that they are not to spec? >>> >> They're shipping them.. I got quoted a 12 week delivery in April, $9k >> for the box, about $12k-15k for the software, although I find that the >> Microsemi site doesn't really explain what the various software options are. >> > > Briefly -- > > 'Signal Statistics' = you can display the non-ADEV deviation types (MDEV, HDEV, TDEV) and enable the various integrated noise/jitter options for display in the legend table below the plot > > 'AM Noise' = you can enable AM noise measurements in the acquisition dialog > > 'Frequency Counter' = you can display the high-precision frequency-count chart alongside a Frequency Difference plot > > 'Mask Test' = you can display pass/fail status and margin values in the legend table below the plot. Mask limit lines can be displayed on the plot without this option, but the program won't evaluate them (or allow automated test scripts to access them) without it. > > -- john, KE5FX > Miles Design LLC > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
J
jimlux
Sun, Jun 19, 2016 1:26 PM

On 6/18/16 10:41 PM, John Miles wrote:

On 6/18/16 6:17 PM, Tom Knox wrote:

Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping

3120A Phase Noise test sets  beside that they are not to spec?

They're shipping them.. I got quoted a 12 week delivery in April, $9k
for the box, about $12k-15k for the software, although I find that the
Microsemi site doesn't really explain what the various software options are.

Briefly --

'Signal Statistics' = you can display the non-ADEV deviation types (MDEV, HDEV, TDEV) and enable the various integrated noise/jitter options for display in the legend table below the plot

'AM Noise' = you can enable AM noise measurements in the acquisition dialog

'Frequency Counter' = you can display the high-precision frequency-count chart alongside a Frequency Difference plot

'Mask Test' = you can display pass/fail status and margin values in the legend table below the plot.  Mask limit lines can be displayed on the plot without this option, but the program won't evaluate them (or allow automated test scripts to access them) without it.

-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC

Tnx

On 6/18/16 10:41 PM, John Miles wrote: >> On 6/18/16 6:17 PM, Tom Knox wrote: >>> Does anyone have any insight as to why Microsemi has stopped shipping >> 3120A Phase Noise test sets beside that they are not to spec? >>> >> They're shipping them.. I got quoted a 12 week delivery in April, $9k >> for the box, about $12k-15k for the software, although I find that the >> Microsemi site doesn't really explain what the various software options are. >> > > Briefly -- > > 'Signal Statistics' = you can display the non-ADEV deviation types (MDEV, HDEV, TDEV) and enable the various integrated noise/jitter options for display in the legend table below the plot > > 'AM Noise' = you can enable AM noise measurements in the acquisition dialog > > 'Frequency Counter' = you can display the high-precision frequency-count chart alongside a Frequency Difference plot > > 'Mask Test' = you can display pass/fail status and margin values in the legend table below the plot. Mask limit lines can be displayed on the plot without this option, but the program won't evaluate them (or allow automated test scripts to access them) without it. > > -- john, KE5FX > Miles Design LLC > > Tnx
PK
Poul-Henning Kamp
Sun, Jun 19, 2016 4:10 PM

In message <SN1PR16MB03180A55303AF69842856571DF290@SN1PR16MB0318.namprd16.prod.
outlook.com>, Tom Knox writes:

If we do not receive your acknowledgement, Microsemi will keep
your order in our backlog, and ship when we have implemented a
solution that allows us to meet the RoHS criteria and apply the CE
mark and label."

Not really any details onnthe issue.

Which part of "meet the RoHS criteria" was unclear ?

Most likely lead-solder components.

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-------- In message <SN1PR16MB03180A55303AF69842856571DF290@SN1PR16MB0318.namprd16.prod. outlook.com>, Tom Knox writes: >If we do not receive your acknowledgement, Microsemi will keep >your order in our backlog, and ship when we have implemented a >solution that allows us to meet the RoHS criteria and apply the CE >mark and label." > > >Not really any details onnthe issue. Which part of "meet the RoHS criteria" was unclear ? Most likely lead-solder components. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.