Hi There are a number of reasons to believe that these antennas are worse than the typical “telecom GPS” antenna for L1 only duty driving a TBolt. If you are going to do L1 / L2 work with something like a NetRS, then indeed you will need a dual band antenna. These (the $99 ones) are the lowest cost “new in box” L1 / L2 antennas that I have seen. One would *guess* that their close to horizon multi path rejection is not quite as good as a Trimble Zephyr, a Novatel Pinwheel, or a choke ring. The ones from China also don’t cost $1800 to $6000 when new either … Bob > On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Christoph Kopetzky <ck@cksd.de> wrote: > > Moin, > are in the meantime any experiences with these gps antennas from the china seller (ms_geo)? > I found two type of them from the same seller: > > 1) https://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Precision-L1-L2-GNSS-GPS-GLONASS-BeiDou-RTK-CORS-survey-antenna/162718512935?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 <https://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Precision-L1-L2-GNSS-GPS-GLONASS-BeiDou-RTK-CORS-survey-antenna/162718512935?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649> > this one is the 3.3 - 18 V version with 5 dB antenna gain and 42 dB LNA gain for appr. 100 US$ > > and > > 2) https://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Precision-GNSS-GPS-GLONASS-BeiDou-RTK-CORS-survey-machine-control-antenna/162710405447 <https://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Precision-GNSS-GPS-GLONASS-BeiDou-RTK-CORS-survey-machine-control-antenna/162710405447> > this one has 3.3 - 10 V voltage requirement and nearly the same gain values but 85 US$ > > Does anyone have one oth them up and running? > > Are they much more better as a Symmetricom 58532A antenna ore the puck head variant? > > If yes I would give it also a try but the shipment time from goods from china are very high. Here to Germany there are timeframes from four to eight weeks normal. :( > > But the price > - > Chris > Am 13.02.2018 um 03:05 schrieb Bob kb8tq: >> Hi >> >> Sitting here casually reading the data sheets for some of the modern Trimble >> survey receivers - they have gone to 7.2V (just below your 7.5V trigger point) >> as an antenna supply voltage. >> >> Who knows what that might imply relative to this antenna. >> >> Bob >> >>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 12:44 PM, John Green <wpxs472@gmail.com> <mailto:wpxs472@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> They have issued a refund. The seller said that my antenna was defective. >>> This is kind of a strange outfit. They are in Russia selling Chinese goods, >>> shipped from China. Since I don't have to return it, I will disassemble it >>> to see what went bad. I replied that if he could assure me that it would >>> work on 12 volts, I might order another. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com <mailto:time-nuts@febo.com> >>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts <https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> >>> and follow the instructions there. >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com <mailto:time-nuts@febo.com> >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts <https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> >> and follow the instructions there. >

On 2/15/18 6:04 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > There are a number of reasons to believe that these antennas are worse > than the typical “telecom GPS” antenna for L1 only duty driving a TBolt. > If you are going to do L1 / L2 work with something like a NetRS, then indeed > you will need a dual band antenna. These (the $99 ones) are the lowest cost > “new in box” L1 / L2 antennas that I have seen. One would *guess* that their > close to horizon multi path rejection is not quite as good as a Trimble Zephyr, > a Novatel Pinwheel, or a choke ring. The ones from China > also don’t cost $1800 to $6000 when new either … > one could probably improvise something that serves as a choke ring, or elevation fence. The infamous JPL Helibowl is pretty simple, and has pretty good rejection of signals near the horizon. See, e.g. Page 143 in GPS/GNSS Antennas, by Rao. (I found it on google https://books.google.com/books?id=nL-YFWLQrPIC&pg=PA143&lpg=PA143&dq=helibowl+antenna&source=bl&ots=U-7Y3TMIQw&sig=D4xZVMmv73XkCAH_8KkMegMnxX4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbjLGTjKjZAhVM7WMKHdYPC5sQ6AEIMTAB#v=onepage&q=helibowl%20antenna&f=false Oddly, it cites to C.Y Cheng, Numerical Electromagnetic Modeling of a Small Aperture Helical-Fed Reflector Antenna, Masters thesis, Ohio University, Aug 1998. Good luck finding that one on-line

Hi As with any antenna mods, the issue isn’t so much doing them as proving that what you did had this or that effect. A lot of what you are paying for on the fancy antennas is the fact that indeed they went through some sort of validation process on top of the design process. An equally valid point is that the standard “telecom” antennas likely are no great thing for low angle multi path either. That is one of several reasons we tend to like cranking up the elevation mask on our TBolts. If you are going for the “I want something that does it all” approach. You would want an antenna that does at least L1 / L2 / L5 and covers the GPS and Glonas parts of the bands. So far, those have not shown up as $100 new in box items ….. Given that the price of gear covering all of that is still “a bit high” (even as a home brew SDR), I’m not sure it matters a whole lot at this point. Bob > On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:13 AM, jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net> wrote: > > On 2/15/18 6:04 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: >> Hi >> There are a number of reasons to believe that these antennas are worse >> than the typical “telecom GPS” antenna for L1 only duty driving a TBolt. >> If you are going to do L1 / L2 work with something like a NetRS, then indeed >> you will need a dual band antenna. These (the $99 ones) are the lowest cost >> “new in box” L1 / L2 antennas that I have seen. One would *guess* that their >> close to horizon multi path rejection is not quite as good as a Trimble Zephyr, >> a Novatel Pinwheel, or a choke ring. The ones from China >> also don’t cost $1800 to $6000 when new either … > > > one could probably improvise something that serves as a choke ring, or elevation fence. The infamous JPL Helibowl is pretty simple, and has pretty good rejection of signals near the horizon. > > See, e.g. Page 143 in GPS/GNSS Antennas, by Rao. (I found it on google > > https://books.google.com/books?id=nL-YFWLQrPIC&pg=PA143&lpg=PA143&dq=helibowl+antenna&source=bl&ots=U-7Y3TMIQw&sig=D4xZVMmv73XkCAH_8KkMegMnxX4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbjLGTjKjZAhVM7WMKHdYPC5sQ6AEIMTAB#v=onepage&q=helibowl%20antenna&f=false > > Oddly, it cites to C.Y Cheng, Numerical Electromagnetic Modeling of a Small Aperture Helical-Fed Reflector Antenna, Masters thesis, Ohio University, Aug 1998. > > Good luck finding that one on-line > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.