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As there a hobby application of precise time or frequency measurement except for being a time nut?

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S McGrath
Thu, May 1, 2025 1:26 PM

In the amateur world there is coherent CW with a bandwidth of under 1 Hz
under ideal conditions precise frequency control is a pre-requisite to
making this work,

Also any kind of work in the high GHz/THz range because multiplying the
oscillators also multiplies the frequency offset

On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 19:18 John Miles via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

You build good sources so that you have something to measure.

You build good instruments so that you can measure good sources.

You do these things not because they are easy, but because you thought
they would be easy.  This is the Tao of Time and Frequency. 😊

-- john

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Kaashoek via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2025 3:46 AM
To: time nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Cc: Erik Kaashoek erik@kaashoek.com
Subject: [time-nuts] As there a hobby application of precise time or
frequency measurement except for being a time nut?

Maybe the subject line is a bit clickbait but this is a serious question.
Hobby VNA are used to measure impedance for antenna, amplifiers, filters,
PCB's and cables. Many applications for a VNA outside the professional
world.
Hobby spectrum analyzers are user for hunting RFI, measuring harmonics of
active devices, assessing what part of the spectrum is still available for
wireless devices, etc... Again many applications.
But for time and frequency measurement the situation seems to be
different. What are hobby applications for accurate assessment of
stability, time or frequency?
For radio amateurs that operate in the GHz bands the accurate assessment
of the frequencies of their generators is such an application but what
other applications do exist and what are their requirements regarding
accuracy?
I'm purposely excluding the applications where the accuracy is the goal
instead of some usage for accuracy.
Any input is welcome.
Erik.


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In the amateur world there is coherent CW with a bandwidth of under 1 Hz under ideal conditions precise frequency control is a pre-requisite to making this work, Also any kind of work in the high GHz/THz range because multiplying the oscillators also multiplies the frequency offset On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 19:18 John Miles via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > You build good sources so that you have something to measure. > > You build good instruments so that you can measure good sources. > > You do these things not because they are easy, but because you thought > they would be easy. This is the Tao of Time and Frequency. 😊 > > -- john > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Kaashoek via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2025 3:46 AM > To: time nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Cc: Erik Kaashoek <erik@kaashoek.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] As there a hobby application of precise time or > frequency measurement except for being a time nut? > > Maybe the subject line is a bit clickbait but this is a serious question. > Hobby VNA are used to measure impedance for antenna, amplifiers, filters, > PCB's and cables. Many applications for a VNA outside the professional > world. > Hobby spectrum analyzers are user for hunting RFI, measuring harmonics of > active devices, assessing what part of the spectrum is still available for > wireless devices, etc... Again many applications. > But for time and frequency measurement the situation seems to be > different. What are hobby applications for accurate assessment of > stability, time or frequency? > For radio amateurs that operate in the GHz bands the accurate assessment > of the frequencies of their generators is such an application but what > other applications do exist and what are their requirements regarding > accuracy? > I'm purposely excluding the applications where the accuracy is the goal > instead of some usage for accuracy. > Any input is welcome. > Erik. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an > email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com