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Sun, Oct 30, 2016 10:34 AM

I think "treatment " is the word of  choice but we all know what is meant .

73 de Ulrich

In a message dated 10/29/2016 8:28:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
preilley_454@comcast.net writes:

Please  don't take this wrong but your use of the word "treaty" is wrong.
I think  you mean "treatise".

Pete.

On 10/29/2016 8:05 PM, Attila Kinali  wrote:

Hoi Ulrich,

On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 19:56:53  -0400
KA2WEU--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com  wrote:

The Parzen book was on my list (Amazon ), I find  these books,  including
Rhea's book practically useless as  they do not provide the necessary

non

-linear noise  analysis, and do not have real live examples with test

data.

Cerda's "Understanding Quartz Crystals and Oscillators book I have not

seen.

You don't have to look then. There are very few people who  actually

looked

at the noise in oscillator circuits and tried to  optimize it. You and
Poddar are definitely those who wrote most about  it. Then comes probably
Enrico. One can find a paper here and there  analysing different noise
sources, but never a complete  treaty.

The lack of noise/non-linear analysis does not mean  you cannot learn
from those books, though. They are good books to  learn from on how to
build an oscillator. Once that is achieved, one  can learn how to make
it low noise by reading your books  :-)

              Attila  Kinali

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I think "treatment " is the word of choice but we all know what is meant . 73 de Ulrich In a message dated 10/29/2016 8:28:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, preilley_454@comcast.net writes: Please don't take this wrong but your use of the word "treaty" is wrong. I think you mean "treatise". Pete. On 10/29/2016 8:05 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: > Hoi Ulrich, > > On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 19:56:53 -0400 > KA2WEU--- via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > >> The Parzen book was on my list (Amazon ), I find these books, including >> Rhea's book practically useless as they do not provide the necessary non >> -linear noise analysis, and do not have real live examples with test data. >> Cerda's "Understanding Quartz Crystals and Oscillators book I have not seen. > You don't have to look then. There are very few people who actually looked > at the noise in oscillator circuits and tried to optimize it. You and > Poddar are definitely those who wrote most about it. Then comes probably > Enrico. One can find a paper here and there analysing different noise > sources, but never a complete treaty. > > The lack of noise/non-linear analysis does not mean you cannot learn > from those books, though. They are good books to learn from on how to > build an oscillator. Once that is achieved, one can learn how to make > it low noise by reading your books :-) > > Attila Kinali > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.