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Holdover, RTC for Pi as NTP GPS source

MS
Mark Sims
Wed, Nov 1, 2017 3:55 PM

I have an analytical balance that reads down to micrograms.  The weigh chamber is surrounded by three layers of IR absorbing glass so that radiated body heat does not induce convection currents in the air.  I worked on a balance that had nanogram resolution (mostly wishful thinking in that spec).  It operated in a vacuum.  30 bit mass-to-digital converters are rather finicky beasties.

It does not take all that good of a temperature sensor to detect changes in room temperature due to body heat (or fetching a beer from the fridge in the next room).  You are basically a 100 watt space heater... even larger for the more corpulent folks.


Surely he'd want to be in an isolating suit to avoid introducing a nasty

warm body into his nice stable cave ?

I have an analytical balance that reads down to micrograms. The weigh chamber is surrounded by three layers of IR absorbing glass so that radiated body heat does not induce convection currents in the air. I worked on a balance that had nanogram resolution (mostly wishful thinking in that spec). It operated in a vacuum. 30 bit mass-to-digital converters are rather finicky beasties. It does not take all that good of a temperature sensor to detect changes in room temperature due to body heat (or fetching a beer from the fridge in the next room). You are basically a 100 watt space heater... even larger for the more corpulent folks. ---------------- > Surely he'd want to be in an isolating suit to avoid introducing a nasty warm body into his nice stable cave ?
DJ
David J Taylor
Wed, Nov 1, 2017 4:07 PM

From: Mark Sims

I have an analytical balance that reads down to micrograms.  The weigh
chamber is surrounded by three layers of IR absorbing glass so that radiated
body heat does not induce convection currents in the air.  I worked on a
balance that had nanogram resolution (mostly wishful thinking in that spec).
It operated in a vacuum.  30 bit mass-to-digital converters are rather
finicky beasties.

It does not take all that good of a temperature sensor to detect changes in
room temperature due to body heat (or fetching a beer from the fridge in the
next room).  You are basically a 100 watt space heater... even larger for
the more corpulent folks.

Temperature is indeed the killer.  My best Raspberry Pis for time-keeping
are RasPi-1 and RasPi-4, both of which are in an unheated cupboard not
exposed to sunlight, on the north side of the house with indoor patch GPS
antennas.

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php

Cheers,
David

SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv

From: Mark Sims I have an analytical balance that reads down to micrograms. The weigh chamber is surrounded by three layers of IR absorbing glass so that radiated body heat does not induce convection currents in the air. I worked on a balance that had nanogram resolution (mostly wishful thinking in that spec). It operated in a vacuum. 30 bit mass-to-digital converters are rather finicky beasties. It does not take all that good of a temperature sensor to detect changes in room temperature due to body heat (or fetching a beer from the fridge in the next room). You are basically a 100 watt space heater... even larger for the more corpulent folks. ============================== Temperature is indeed the killer. My best Raspberry Pis for time-keeping are RasPi-1 and RasPi-4, both of which are in an unheated cupboard not exposed to sunlight, on the north side of the house with indoor patch GPS antennas. http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk Twitter: @gm8arv
DC
David C. Partridge
Wed, Nov 1, 2017 4:44 PM

? RasPi-4? Not released until 2019 AFAIK ...  I have RasPi-3

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From: Mark Sims

I have an analytical balance that reads down to micrograms.  The weigh
chamber is surrounded by three layers of IR absorbing glass so that radiated
body heat does not induce convection currents in the air.  I worked on a
balance that had nanogram resolution (mostly wishful thinking in that spec).
It operated in a vacuum.  30 bit mass-to-digital converters are rather finicky beasties.

It does not take all that good of a temperature sensor to detect changes in room temperature due to body heat (or fetching a beer from the fridge in the next room).  You are basically a 100 watt space heater... even larger for the more corpulent folks.

Temperature is indeed the killer.  My best Raspberry Pis for time-keeping are RasPi-1 and RasPi-4, both of which are in an unheated cupboard not exposed to sunlight, on the north side of the house with indoor patch GPS antennas.

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php

Cheers,
David

SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv


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? RasPi-4? Not released until 2019 AFAIK ... I have RasPi-3 -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of David J Taylor via time-nuts Sent: 01 November 2017 16:08 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Holdover, RTC for Pi as NTP GPS source From: Mark Sims I have an analytical balance that reads down to micrograms. The weigh chamber is surrounded by three layers of IR absorbing glass so that radiated body heat does not induce convection currents in the air. I worked on a balance that had nanogram resolution (mostly wishful thinking in that spec). It operated in a vacuum. 30 bit mass-to-digital converters are rather finicky beasties. It does not take all that good of a temperature sensor to detect changes in room temperature due to body heat (or fetching a beer from the fridge in the next room). You are basically a 100 watt space heater... even larger for the more corpulent folks. ============================== Temperature is indeed the killer. My best Raspberry Pis for time-keeping are RasPi-1 and RasPi-4, both of which are in an unheated cupboard not exposed to sunlight, on the north side of the house with indoor patch GPS antennas. http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk Twitter: @gm8arv _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
DJ
David J Taylor
Wed, Nov 1, 2017 4:56 PM

From: David C. Partridge

? RasPi-4? Not released until 2019 AFAIK ...  I have RasPi-3

My Raspberry Pi #1 and Raspberry Pi #4.  See:

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php

Cheers,
David

SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv

From: David C. Partridge ? RasPi-4? Not released until 2019 AFAIK ... I have RasPi-3 ======================= My Raspberry Pi #1 and Raspberry Pi #4. See: http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk Twitter: @gm8arv
E
ewkehren
Wed, Nov 1, 2017 7:12 PM

Tbolt is a good oneBert Kehren

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-------- Original message --------From: David J Taylor via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com Date: 11/1/17  12:07 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Holdover, RTC for Pi as NTP GPS source
From: Mark Sims

I have an analytical balance that reads down to micrograms.   The weigh
chamber is surrounded by three layers of IR absorbing glass so that radiated
body heat does not induce convection currents in the air.   I worked on a
balance that had nanogram resolution (mostly wishful thinking in that spec).
It operated in a vacuum.  30 bit mass-to-digital converters are rather
finicky beasties.

It does not take all that good of a temperature sensor to detect changes in
room temperature due to body heat (or fetching a beer from the fridge in the
next room).  You are basically a 100 watt space heater... even larger for
the more corpulent folks.

Temperature is indeed the killer.  My best Raspberry Pis for time-keeping
are RasPi-1 and RasPi-4, both of which are in an unheated cupboard not
exposed to sunlight, on the north side of the house with indoor patch GPS
antennas.

  http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php

Cheers,
David

SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv


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Tbolt is a good oneBert Kehren Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A -------- Original message --------From: David J Taylor via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> Date: 11/1/17 12:07 PM (GMT-05:00) To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Holdover, RTC for Pi as NTP GPS source From: Mark Sims I have an analytical balance that reads down to micrograms.   The weigh chamber is surrounded by three layers of IR absorbing glass so that radiated body heat does not induce convection currents in the air.   I worked on a balance that had nanogram resolution (mostly wishful thinking in that spec). It operated in a vacuum.  30 bit mass-to-digital converters are rather finicky beasties. It does not take all that good of a temperature sensor to detect changes in room temperature due to body heat (or fetching a beer from the fridge in the next room).  You are basically a 100 watt space heater... even larger for the more corpulent folks. ============================== Temperature is indeed the killer.  My best Raspberry Pis for time-keeping are RasPi-1 and RasPi-4, both of which are in an unheated cupboard not exposed to sunlight, on the north side of the house with indoor patch GPS antennas.   http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk Twitter: @gm8arv _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.