Re: [time-nuts] Thermal impact on OCXO
FWIW. Between 2001 and 2011 I run a 5MHz OCXO (in a box). It is a 2x3inch type without EFC marked OFC MC834X4-009W with date code 97. Probably it was from some base station testing and it had been sitting in my shelf since 98. The OCXO were battery backed but at two occasions (2004 and 2007) we had power fails that drained the battery as can be seen in the graph.
Just out of curiosity I yesterday put just the first thirty days (like in the pdf mentioned below) and let Excel calculate the logarithmic function. If I extrapolate that to 10 years it seems that the drift would be 6E-13/day but as can be seen in the aging graph it was more like ten times higher.
Some days ago I started the OCXO again after it had been on the shelf for more than 4 years. Enclosed is a graph for the first 7 days. After six and half days it seems to be a jump of about 1.5E-10 and as I have no indication of anything else I believe it is from the OCXO.
/Lars
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Scott Stobbe scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com
wrote:
Here is a sample data point taken from http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptt
i/1987papers/Vol%2019_16.pdf; the first that showed up on a google search.
Year Aging [PPB] dF/dt [PPT/Day]
1 180.51 63.884
2 196.65 31.93
5 218 12.769
9 231.69 7.0934
10 234.15 6.384
25 255.5 2.5535
If you have a set of coefficients you believe to be representative of your
OCXO, we can give those a go.
Lars,
I've broadly understood the aging in the first days to month as being
dominated by "bake-out". It's well fit with a logarithmic curve but the
effect is so large in the first weeks that it hides the true long term
aging (which could well have a different direction).
Tim N3QE
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Lars Walenius lars.walenius@hotmail.com
wrote:
FWIW. Between 2001 and 2011 I run a 5MHz OCXO (in a box). It is a 2x3inch
type without EFC marked OFC MC834X4-009W with date code 97. Probably it was
from some base station testing and it had been sitting in my shelf since
98. The OCXO were battery backed but at two occasions (2004 and 2007) we
had power fails that drained the battery as can be seen in the graph.
Just out of curiosity I yesterday put just the first thirty days (like in
the pdf mentioned below) and let Excel calculate the logarithmic function.
If I extrapolate that to 10 years it seems that the drift would be
6E-13/day but as can be seen in the aging graph it was more like ten times
higher.
Some days ago I started the OCXO again after it had been on the shelf for
more than 4 years. Enclosed is a graph for the first 7 days. After six and
half days it seems to be a jump of about 1.5E-10 and as I have no
indication of anything else I believe it is from the OCXO.
/Lars
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Scott Stobbe scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com
wrote:
Here is a sample data point taken from http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptt
i/1987papers/Vol%2019_16.pdf; the first that showed up on a google
search.
Year Aging [PPB] dF/dt [PPT/Day]
1 180.51 63.884
2 196.65 31.93
5 218 12.769
9 231.69 7.0934
10 234.15 6.384
25 255.5 2.5535
If you have a set of coefficients you believe to be representative of
your
OCXO, we can give those a go.
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Hi
Your data demonstrates a couple of things:
- There are a number of different things going on with that OCXO and some things are a lot less predictable than others.
- Oscillators do drop rate while on power.
- Oscillators that age a lot are easier to model (yes, that OCXO is aging a lot for one that has been on that long).
Bob
On Nov 16, 2016, at 2:41 PM, Lars Walenius lars.walenius@hotmail.com wrote:
FWIW. Between 2001 and 2011 I run a 5MHz OCXO (in a box). It is a 2x3inch type without EFC marked OFC MC834X4-009W with date code 97. Probably it was from some base station testing and it had been sitting in my shelf since 98. The OCXO were battery backed but at two occasions (2004 and 2007) we had power fails that drained the battery as can be seen in the graph.
Just out of curiosity I yesterday put just the first thirty days (like in the pdf mentioned below) and let Excel calculate the logarithmic function. If I extrapolate that to 10 years it seems that the drift would be 6E-13/day but as can be seen in the aging graph it was more like ten times higher.
Some days ago I started the OCXO again after it had been on the shelf for more than 4 years. Enclosed is a graph for the first 7 days. After six and half days it seems to be a jump of about 1.5E-10 and as I have no indication of anything else I believe it is from the OCXO.
/Lars
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Scott Stobbe scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com
wrote:
Here is a sample data point taken from http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptt
i/1987papers/Vol%2019_16.pdf; the first that showed up on a google search.
Year Aging [PPB] dF/dt [PPT/Day]
1 180.51 63.884
2 196.65 31.93
5 218 12.769
9 231.69 7.0934
10 234.15 6.384
25 255.5 2.5535
If you have a set of coefficients you believe to be representative of your
OCXO, we can give those a go.
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