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Vishay Z-foil resistors

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Frank Stellmach
Mon, Nov 21, 2011 11:08 PM

Andreas,

I also had some talks with one Frank from Teltow and another Frank (also
physicist) from Heilbronn .. latter one told me about the background
stories of this technology, especially before 1989, when this stuff was
produced in the former GDR, for the Russian military and airspace use.

Today, this also the main market, I assume.

That's also the reason for the -55..+125°C specification range, because,
no, its definitely much too expensive for automotive use; I must know ;-)

The only option to order 'metrology parts' with a reduced temp. range is
ordering those 2-chip-matched VHP 101 at the moment.
I ordered the VHP202, without further requirements. Wouldn't have helped
me, anyhow, as it was explained to me later (and as I was aware before,
from reading carefully the spec.)

Currently, you'll find again the Z203 on their site, also intended for
metrology, but no max. values are given either. The attribute "typical"
is missing by mistake, currently.

Those parts are also a phantom, to my opinion, they really are not able
to control this technology to a perfect level.

While we are at it, I would like to cite another publication from John
Pickering, the Britisch engineer who designed the famous Metron/Fluke
7000 reference, based on the LTZ1000, with hysteresis elimination..

Later in 2002, he designed also a high precision 10mA current source for
the CERN, for calibrating the huge Tesla-coils (several kA). This is
based on a 10kOhm resistor, built from 4x 10K VHP202 resistors.
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/643294/files/cer-002399331.pdf

Obviously, Vishay then was able to either produce low TCR parts, or they
could deliver batches with opposing TCR, so a matching could be done.
Otherwise, this extreme degree of stability could not have been achieved.
The people from German Vishay PG could not give me any background infos
for that.

A German PhD thesis deals about a 35kV precision divider,  based on VHA
518 types,(same datasheet as VHP202), but the success is based clearly
on the selection of several different batches. The final divider was
positively checked at the PTB:
http://miami.uni-muenster.de/servlets/DerivateServlet/Derivate-4212/diss_thuemmler.pdf

Therefore, if you take a lot of money in your hands, its possible to get
ultra stable results from those parts.

Btw.: Andreas, I don't know in which area you are living, perhaps we may
meet some day.

Because, "You got a brand new pair of roller skates, and I got a brand
new key".

Frank

Andreas, I also had some talks with one Frank from Teltow and another Frank (also physicist) from Heilbronn .. latter one told me about the background stories of this technology, especially before 1989, when this stuff was produced in the former GDR, for the Russian military and airspace use. Today, this also the main market, I assume. That's also the reason for the -55..+125°C specification range, because, no, its definitely much too expensive for automotive use; I must know ;-) The only option to order 'metrology parts' with a reduced temp. range is ordering those 2-chip-matched VHP 101 at the moment. I ordered the VHP202, without further requirements. Wouldn't have helped me, anyhow, as it was explained to me later (and as I was aware before, from reading carefully the spec.) Currently, you'll find again the Z203 on their site, also intended for metrology, but no max. values are given either. The attribute "typical" is missing by mistake, currently. Those parts are also a phantom, to my opinion, they really are not able to control this technology to a perfect level. While we are at it, I would like to cite another publication from John Pickering, the Britisch engineer who designed the famous Metron/Fluke 7000 reference, based on the LTZ1000, with hysteresis elimination.. Later in 2002, he designed also a high precision 10mA current source for the CERN, for calibrating the huge Tesla-coils (several kA). This is based on a 10kOhm resistor, built from 4x 10K VHP202 resistors. http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/643294/files/cer-002399331.pdf Obviously, Vishay then was able to either produce low TCR parts, or they could deliver batches with opposing TCR, so a matching could be done. Otherwise, this extreme degree of stability could not have been achieved. The people from German Vishay PG could not give me any background infos for that. A German PhD thesis deals about a 35kV precision divider, based on VHA 518 types,(same datasheet as VHP202), but the success is based clearly on the selection of several different batches. The final divider was positively checked at the PTB: http://miami.uni-muenster.de/servlets/DerivateServlet/Derivate-4212/diss_thuemmler.pdf Therefore, if you take a lot of money in your hands, its possible to get ultra stable results from those parts. Btw.: Andreas, I don't know in which area you are living, perhaps we may meet some day. Because, "You got a brand new pair of roller skates, and I got a brand new key". Frank
EA
Electronics and Books
Sat, Nov 26, 2011 7:40 PM

There is an article of z foil resistors as a 10k standard compared to sr104

http://electronicsandbooks.com/eab1/manual/index.php?dir=Magazine%2FMetrology+and+Measurement+Systems+PL%2F

 
M&MS_2009_265 A temperature variable high accuracy 10 k resistor c20090330 [8].pdf

Regards

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There is an article of z foil resistors as a 10k standard compared to sr104 http://electronicsandbooks.com/eab1/manual/index.php?dir=Magazine%2FMetrology+and+Measurement+Systems+PL%2F   M&MS_2009_265 A temperature variable high accuracy 10 k resistor c20090330 [8].pdf Regards info at ElectronicsAndBooks dot com http://ElectronicsAndBooks.com