I recently ordered and received what claims to be a 2007 vintage Morion MV89 from ebay (I say claimed as that what the auction item said, but my unit is missing the identifying label on the top and just has '2007 MV89A' written on the side in marker). I've powered it up with a bench power supply at 12V and it's drawing 390mA at steady state. I measured the case temperature with a ThermaPen Mk4 (not often I get to combine the hobbies of bbq and timenuts...) which is calibrated to +/-0.7F to be about 111F, varying somewhat with position. This seems pretty hot - Is this normal ? The datasheet says it should draw <350mA when at steady state but doesn't say what temp it should be at. Does anyone else have info on their version to see whether this is normal ? Cheers, Tim

Hi Compared to some MV89’s that’s a bit cold….It certainly is not alarmingly hot for an OCXO case. Bob > On Sep 19, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Tim Lister <listertim@gmail.com> wrote: > > I recently ordered and received what claims to be a 2007 vintage > Morion MV89 from ebay (I say claimed as that what the auction item > said, but my unit is missing the identifying label on the top and just > has '2007 MV89A' written on the side in marker). I've powered it up > with a bench power supply at 12V and it's drawing 390mA at steady > state. I measured the case temperature with a ThermaPen Mk4 (not often > I get to combine the hobbies of bbq and timenuts...) which is > calibrated to +/-0.7F to be about 111F, varying somewhat with > position. > > This seems pretty hot - Is this normal ? The datasheet says it should > draw <350mA when at steady state but doesn't say what temp it should > be at. Does anyone else have info on their version to see whether this > is normal ? > > Cheers, > Tim > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

May also want to check the output amplitude. If memory serves me correct it is very common for a capacitor inside this model number to fail. It can be fixed but requires a torch or a pretty heavy duty soldering iron to get the can open. http://www.rbarrios.com/projects/MV89A/ -=Bryan=- > From: listertim@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:31:06 -0700 > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] Normal operating specs of a Morion MV89? > > I recently ordered and received what claims to be a 2007 vintage > Morion MV89 from ebay (I say claimed as that what the auction item > said, but my unit is missing the identifying label on the top and just > has '2007 MV89A' written on the side in marker). I've powered it up > with a bench power supply at 12V and it's drawing 390mA at steady > state. I measured the case temperature with a ThermaPen Mk4 (not often > I get to combine the hobbies of bbq and timenuts...) which is > calibrated to +/-0.7F to be about 111F, varying somewhat with > position. > > This seems pretty hot - Is this normal ? The datasheet says it should > draw <350mA when at steady state but doesn't say what temp it should > be at. Does anyone else have info on their version to see whether this > is normal ? > > Cheers, > Tim > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

Yes. This low output due to capacitor failure is a very common failure. >From the last set of MV89a I got on the bay, all had this issue. I had good luck opening mine with a hot air rework station with a small nozzle to blow the solder seal away. A bit of careful prying with a thin flat screwdriver while it is still hot to pop the bottom from the case. The capacitor is easy to get to once the outer can is removed. Hot air to remove. Then tweezers and a fine point soldering pencil made for an easy repair. Obviously, be very careful and be sure to work on an appropriate surface for the amount of heat involved. - Brian On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 12:57 PM Bryan _ <bpl521@outlook.com> wrote: > May also want to check the output amplitude. If memory serves me correct > it is very common for a capacitor inside this model number to fail. It can > be fixed but requires a torch or a pretty heavy duty soldering iron to get > the can open. > http://www.rbarrios.com/projects/MV89A/ > > -=Bryan=- > > > From: listertim@gmail.com > > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:31:06 -0700 > > To: time-nuts@febo.com > > Subject: [time-nuts] Normal operating specs of a Morion MV89? > > > > I recently ordered and received what claims to be a 2007 vintage > > Morion MV89 from ebay (I say claimed as that what the auction item > > said, but my unit is missing the identifying label on the top and just > > has '2007 MV89A' written on the side in marker). I've powered it up > > with a bench power supply at 12V and it's drawing 390mA at steady > > state. I measured the case temperature with a ThermaPen Mk4 (not often > > I get to combine the hobbies of bbq and timenuts...) which is > > calibrated to +/-0.7F to be about 111F, varying somewhat with > > position. > > > > This seems pretty hot - Is this normal ? The datasheet says it should > > draw <350mA when at steady state but doesn't say what temp it should > > be at. Does anyone else have info on their version to see whether this > > is normal ? > > > > Cheers, > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Bryan _ <bpl521@outlook.com> wrote: > May also want to check the output amplitude. If memory serves me correct it is very common for a capacitor inside this model number to fail. It can be fixed but requires a torch or a pretty heavy duty soldering iron to get the can open. > http://www.rbarrios.com/projects/MV89A/ It is possible to check the output level without an oscilloscope ? (I don't have one yet). It seemed to trigger the Frequency/Stop input of my 5370B with the Stop level set to Preset and divide by 1. I have access to a HP3478 bench DMM but I'm not sure whether that will give a correct level on AC volts at 10 MHz. Thanks for the link on potential repairs, I think that will need brave pills before I try torching anything open. Tim

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 01:53:49 PM Tim Lister wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Bryan _ <bpl521@outlook.com> wrote: > > May also want to check the output amplitude. If memory serves me correct > > it is very common for a capacitor inside this model number to fail. It > > can be fixed but requires a torch or a pretty heavy duty soldering iron > > to get the can open. http://www.rbarrios.com/projects/MV89A/ > > It is possible to check the output level without an oscilloscope ? (I > don't have one yet). It seemed to trigger the Frequency/Stop input of > my 5370B with the Stop level set to Preset and divide by 1. I have > access to a HP3478 bench DMM but I'm not sure whether that will give a > correct level on AC volts at 10 MHz. > Thanks for the link on potential repairs, I think that will need brave > pills before I try torching anything open. > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the > instructions there. Only with a clasical (diode detector) RF probe (they're still available) or an RF power meter. Bruce

Any tips on resoldering the can, special solder or flux required? Quite often they can be found for a good price on Ebay, from what I have read they are a good OCXO minus the issue of the one particular cap failing. -=Bryan=- > From: brayniac@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 20:06:59 +0000 > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Normal operating specs of a Morion MV89? > > Yes. This low output due to capacitor failure is a very common failure. > From the last set of MV89a I got on the bay, all had this issue. > > I had good luck opening mine with a hot air rework station with a small > nozzle to blow the solder seal away. A bit of careful prying with a thin > flat screwdriver while it is still hot to pop the bottom from the case. The > capacitor is easy to get to once the outer can is removed. Hot air to > remove. Then tweezers and a fine point soldering pencil made for an easy > repair. > > Obviously, be very careful and be sure to work on an appropriate surface > for the amount of heat involved. > - Brian > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 12:57 PM Bryan _ <bpl521@outlook.com> wrote: > > > May also want to check the output amplitude. If memory serves me correct > > it is very common for a capacitor inside this model number to fail. It can > > be fixed but requires a torch or a pretty heavy duty soldering iron to get > > the can open. > > http://www.rbarrios.com/projects/MV89A/ > > > > -=Bryan=- > > > > > From: listertim@gmail.com > > > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:31:06 -0700 > > > To: time-nuts@febo.com > > > Subject: [time-nuts] Normal operating specs of a Morion MV89? > > > > > > I recently ordered and received what claims to be a 2007 vintage > > > Morion MV89 from ebay (I say claimed as that what the auction item > > > said, but my unit is missing the identifying label on the top and just > > > has '2007 MV89A' written on the side in marker). I've powered it up > > > with a bench power supply at 12V and it's drawing 390mA at steady > > > state. I measured the case temperature with a ThermaPen Mk4 (not often > > > I get to combine the hobbies of bbq and timenuts...) which is > > > calibrated to +/-0.7F to be about 111F, varying somewhat with > > > position. > > > > > > This seems pretty hot - Is this normal ? The datasheet says it should > > > draw <350mA when at steady state but doesn't say what temp it should > > > be at. Does anyone else have info on their version to see whether this > > > is normal ? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Tim > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

Hi At least the MV89’s that I have bought have been mostly defective. The issues in them are many and some of them are only apparent with fairly exotic testing There are a lot with defective output capacitors, but many of those also have other issues as well. Unless you have a lot of time, repairing them is not very cost effective. Basic gear to check one out: Temperature test chamber to spot the miss-set temperature controllers Phase noise test set to spot the various noisy stages ADEV test to check the noisy temp controllers Output level test / harmonics via spectrum analyzer That’s just a quick list of the stuff I ran them past. Different ones failed different tests. Note: These are pretty good OCXO’s. The guys that make them are doing a good job. The problem is the salvage process they go through. You need to be pretty careful dealing with an OCXO. The salvage guys are not careful at all. They damage far more parts than they save …. Bob > On Sep 20, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Bryan _ <bpl521@outlook.com> wrote: > > Any tips on resoldering the can, special solder or flux required? Quite often they can be found for a good price on Ebay, from what I have read they are a good OCXO minus the issue of the one particular cap failing. > > -=Bryan=- > >> From: brayniac@gmail.com >> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 20:06:59 +0000 >> To: time-nuts@febo.com >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Normal operating specs of a Morion MV89? >> >> Yes. This low output due to capacitor failure is a very common failure. >> From the last set of MV89a I got on the bay, all had this issue. >> >> I had good luck opening mine with a hot air rework station with a small >> nozzle to blow the solder seal away. A bit of careful prying with a thin >> flat screwdriver while it is still hot to pop the bottom from the case. The >> capacitor is easy to get to once the outer can is removed. Hot air to >> remove. Then tweezers and a fine point soldering pencil made for an easy >> repair. >> >> Obviously, be very careful and be sure to work on an appropriate surface >> for the amount of heat involved. >> - Brian >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 12:57 PM Bryan _ <bpl521@outlook.com> wrote: >> >>> May also want to check the output amplitude. If memory serves me correct >>> it is very common for a capacitor inside this model number to fail. It can >>> be fixed but requires a torch or a pretty heavy duty soldering iron to get >>> the can open. >>> http://www.rbarrios.com/projects/MV89A/ >>> >>> -=Bryan=- >>> >>>> From: listertim@gmail.com >>>> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:31:06 -0700 >>>> To: time-nuts@febo.com >>>> Subject: [time-nuts] Normal operating specs of a Morion MV89? >>>> >>>> I recently ordered and received what claims to be a 2007 vintage >>>> Morion MV89 from ebay (I say claimed as that what the auction item >>>> said, but my unit is missing the identifying label on the top and just >>>> has '2007 MV89A' written on the side in marker). I've powered it up >>>> with a bench power supply at 12V and it's drawing 390mA at steady >>>> state. I measured the case temperature with a ThermaPen Mk4 (not often >>>> I get to combine the hobbies of bbq and timenuts...) which is >>>> calibrated to +/-0.7F to be about 111F, varying somewhat with >>>> position. >>>> >>>> This seems pretty hot - Is this normal ? The datasheet says it should >>>> draw <350mA when at steady state but doesn't say what temp it should >>>> be at. Does anyone else have info on their version to see whether this >>>> is normal ? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Tim >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

Hi Brian which cap is failing in the MV89 oxco-s? 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 9/20/2016 2:41 PM, Bryan _ wrote: > Any tips on resoldering the can, special solder or flux required? Quite often they can be found for a good price on Ebay, from what I have read they are a good OCXO minus the issue of the one particular cap failing. > > -=Bryan=- > >> From: brayniac@gmail.com >> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 20:06:59 +0000 >> To: time-nuts@febo.com >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Normal operating specs of a Morion MV89? >> >> Yes. This low output due to capacitor failure is a very common failure. >> From the last set of MV89a I got on the bay, all had this issue. >> >> I had good luck opening mine with a hot air rework station with a small >> nozzle to blow the solder seal away. A bit of careful prying with a thin >> flat screwdriver while it is still hot to pop the bottom from the case. The >> capacitor is easy to get to once the outer can is removed. Hot air to >> remove. Then tweezers and a fine point soldering pencil made for an easy >> repair. >> >> Obviously, be very careful and be sure to work on an appropriate surface >> for the amount of heat involved. >> - Brian >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 12:57 PM Bryan _ <bpl521@outlook.com> wrote: >> >>> May also want to check the output amplitude. If memory serves me correct >>> it is very common for a capacitor inside this model number to fail. It can >>> be fixed but requires a torch or a pretty heavy duty soldering iron to get >>> the can open. >>> http://www.rbarrios.com/projects/MV89A/ >>> >>> -=Bryan=- >>> >>>> From: listertim@gmail.com >>>> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:31:06 -0700 >>>> To: time-nuts@febo.com >>>> Subject: [time-nuts] Normal operating specs of a Morion MV89? >>>> >>>> I recently ordered and received what claims to be a 2007 vintage >>>> Morion MV89 from ebay (I say claimed as that what the auction item >>>> said, but my unit is missing the identifying label on the top and just >>>> has '2007 MV89A' written on the side in marker). I've powered it up >>>> with a bench power supply at 12V and it's drawing 390mA at steady >>>> state. I measured the case temperature with a ThermaPen Mk4 (not often >>>> I get to combine the hobbies of bbq and timenuts...) which is >>>> calibrated to +/-0.7F to be about 111F, varying somewhat with >>>> position. >>>> >>>> This seems pretty hot - Is this normal ? The datasheet says it should >>>> draw <350mA when at steady state but doesn't say what temp it should >>>> be at. Does anyone else have info on their version to see whether this >>>> is normal ? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Tim >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7797 / Virus Database: 4656/13052 - Release Date: 09/20/16

Hi There is an output coupling cap that is close to the output pin. It is not clear if it is failing or simply damaged by the salvage process. Best guess is that some fail, but far more are damaged parts. Bob > On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Alex Pummer <alex@pcscons.com> wrote: > > Hi Brian > > which cap is failing in the MV89 oxco-s? > 73 > > KJ6UHN > > Alex > > On 9/20/2016 2:41 PM, Bryan _ wrote: >> Any tips on resoldering the can, special solder or flux required? Quite often they can be found for a good price on Ebay, from what I have read they are a good OCXO minus the issue of the one particular cap failing. >> >> -=Bryan=- >> >>> From: brayniac@gmail.com >>> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 20:06:59 +0000 >>> To: time-nuts@febo.com >>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Normal operating specs of a Morion MV89? >>> >>> Yes. This low output due to capacitor failure is a very common failure. >>> From the last set of MV89a I got on the bay, all had this issue. >>> >>> I had good luck opening mine with a hot air rework station with a small >>> nozzle to blow the solder seal away. A bit of careful prying with a thin >>> flat screwdriver while it is still hot to pop the bottom from the case. The >>> capacitor is easy to get to once the outer can is removed. Hot air to >>> remove. Then tweezers and a fine point soldering pencil made for an easy >>> repair. >>> >>> Obviously, be very careful and be sure to work on an appropriate surface >>> for the amount of heat involved. >>> - Brian >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 12:57 PM Bryan _ <bpl521@outlook.com> wrote: >>> >>>> May also want to check the output amplitude. If memory serves me correct >>>> it is very common for a capacitor inside this model number to fail. It can >>>> be fixed but requires a torch or a pretty heavy duty soldering iron to get >>>> the can open. >>>> http://www.rbarrios.com/projects/MV89A/ >>>> >>>> -=Bryan=- >>>> >>>>> From: listertim@gmail.com >>>>> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:31:06 -0700 >>>>> To: time-nuts@febo.com >>>>> Subject: [time-nuts] Normal operating specs of a Morion MV89? >>>>> >>>>> I recently ordered and received what claims to be a 2007 vintage >>>>> Morion MV89 from ebay (I say claimed as that what the auction item >>>>> said, but my unit is missing the identifying label on the top and just >>>>> has '2007 MV89A' written on the side in marker). I've powered it up >>>>> with a bench power supply at 12V and it's drawing 390mA at steady >>>>> state. I measured the case temperature with a ThermaPen Mk4 (not often >>>>> I get to combine the hobbies of bbq and timenuts...) which is >>>>> calibrated to +/-0.7F to be about 111F, varying somewhat with >>>>> position. >>>>> >>>>> This seems pretty hot - Is this normal ? The datasheet says it should >>>>> draw <350mA when at steady state but doesn't say what temp it should >>>>> be at. Does anyone else have info on their version to see whether this >>>>> is normal ? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Tim >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2016.0.7797 / Virus Database: 4656/13052 - Release Date: 09/20/16 > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.