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Re: [volt-nuts] volt-nuts Digest, Vol 55, Issue 23

JF
Jan Fredriksson
Sat, Mar 29, 2014 2:57 PM

Yes, LM399 good good! Me like!

The dozen LM399 have now spent a day at an average 0.0uV deviation, +/-0.2u
peak to peak probably below 0.1ppm rms (10s averaged), despite the room
temperature changing by something like 5 degrees (C). Condition; Bench
supply 12V, 12 IC paralleled, current limited by 2K7 to each IC, output via
2K7 from each.

I got my LM399 from ebay at $4.99 each. Seller polida2008. (I'm in no way
associated with the seller). Buying ICs on Ebay is risky but these where
good.

Yes, LM399 good good! Me like! The dozen LM399 have now spent a day at an average 0.0uV deviation, +/-0.2u peak to peak probably below 0.1ppm rms (10s averaged), despite the room temperature changing by something like 5 degrees (C). Condition; Bench supply 12V, 12 IC paralleled, current limited by 2K7 to each IC, output via 2K7 from each. I got my LM399 from ebay at $4.99 each. Seller polida2008. (I'm in no way associated with the seller). Buying ICs on Ebay is risky but these where good.
AJ
Andreas Jahn
Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:07 PM

Hello,

I do not know how you measure the "noise".
If its 0.1-10Hz peak-peak noise a value of 10uVpp is rather high.
Typical noise should be around 4.2uVpp (0.6ppm peak peak) for a zener
with around 1mA current.
The LM399 that I have measured range from below 3uVpp to around 7uVpp.

Perhaps you should do some thermal isolation around the LM399.
Additional use a 100nF decoupling capacitor at Input (heater) and output
(zener).

By the way: there are 2 threads on the eevblog regarding LM399 + LTZ1000

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/lm399-based-10-v-reference/
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/ultra-precision-reference-ltz1000/

With best regards

Andreas

Am 29.03.2014 15:57, schrieb Jan Fredriksson:

Yes, LM399 good good! Me like!

The dozen LM399 have now spent a day at an average 0.0uV deviation, +/-0.2u
peak to peak probably below 0.1ppm rms (10s averaged), despite the room
temperature changing by something like 5 degrees (C). Condition; Bench
supply 12V, 12 IC paralleled, current limited by 2K7 to each IC, output via
2K7 from each.

I got my LM399 from ebay at $4.99 each. Seller polida2008. (I'm in no way
associated with the seller). Buying ICs on Ebay is risky but these where
good.


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Hello, I do not know how you measure the "noise". If its 0.1-10Hz peak-peak noise a value of 10uVpp is rather high. Typical noise should be around 4.2uVpp (0.6ppm peak peak) for a zener with around 1mA current. The LM399 that I have measured range from below 3uVpp to around 7uVpp. Perhaps you should do some thermal isolation around the LM399. Additional use a 100nF decoupling capacitor at Input (heater) and output (zener). By the way: there are 2 threads on the eevblog regarding LM399 + LTZ1000 http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/lm399-based-10-v-reference/ http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/ultra-precision-reference-ltz1000/ With best regards Andreas Am 29.03.2014 15:57, schrieb Jan Fredriksson: > Yes, LM399 good good! Me like! > > The dozen LM399 have now spent a day at an average 0.0uV deviation, +/-0.2u > peak to peak probably below 0.1ppm rms (10s averaged), despite the room > temperature changing by something like 5 degrees (C). Condition; Bench > supply 12V, 12 IC paralleled, current limited by 2K7 to each IC, output via > 2K7 from each. > > I got my LM399 from ebay at $4.99 each. Seller polida2008. (I'm in no way > associated with the seller). Buying ICs on Ebay is risky but these where > good. > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there.