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Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7061 help request (eeprom?)

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FabioEb@quipo.it
Sun, Feb 26, 2012 3:55 PM

Hi, Fabio!
I'm think answer is on the page 8.3 of the 7061 Operating Manual.
Besides, 7071 manual says, that "Refresh" command must be executed to ensure
EEPROM proper operation.

Mickle T.

Hello, Mickle
I reread the manual, but I'm not sure to understand it correctly,
it seem to me that Refresh command writes the actual Calibration
constants to EEPROM. I haven't tried yet to recalibrate it.
Now I'm curious if this eeprom is corrupted.
Since now I don't have all the necessary to calibrate it I don't
want to try yet.

Fabio.


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> Hi, Fabio! > I'm think answer is on the page 8.3 of the 7061 Operating Manual. > Besides, 7071 manual says, that "Refresh" command must be executed to ensure > EEPROM proper operation. > > Mickle T. > Hello, Mickle I reread the manual, but I'm not sure to understand it correctly, it seem to me that Refresh command writes the actual Calibration constants to EEPROM. I haven't tried yet to recalibrate it. Now I'm curious if this eeprom is corrupted. Since now I don't have all the necessary to calibrate it I don't want to try yet. Fabio. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Михаил
Sun, Feb 26, 2012 4:15 PM

REFRESH command description from the 7071 manual:

8.3.2 CALIBRATE, REFRESH
This command enables a refresh of the NVM, i.e. the present calibration
constants are written back into the NVM. The sequence of operation is as
follows:

  • Microprocessor checks both pages of the NVM.
  • First correct page is down-loaded to the RAM.
  • Microprocessor checks the RAM
  • RAM contents are written into both pages of the NVM.
  • Microprocessor checks both pages of the NVM.
    ...
  • One of the following messages will appear:
    REFRESH COMPLETE  - refresh has been successful and no faults have
    been found.
    REFRESH COMPLETE NVM PAGE 1 WAS FAULTY
  • refresh has been successful. Page 1 of the NVM was originally faulty but is now correct.
    REFRESH COMPLETE NVM PAGE 2 WAS FAULTY
  • refresh has been successful. Page 2 of the NVM was originally faulty but is now correct.
    REFRESH FAIL RAM COPY FAIL
  • refresh has been unsuccessful as the RAM copy is faulty.
    REFRESH FAIL NVM PAGE 1 IS FAULTY
  • refresh has been unsuccessful. Page 1 of the NVM is faulty.
    REFRESH FAIL NVM PAGE 2 IS FAULTY
  • refresh has been unsuccessful. Page 2 of the NVM is faulty.
    REFRESH FAIL NVM PAGE 1 & 2 ARE FAULTY
  • refresh has been unsuccessful. Both pages of the NVM are faulty.

I think 7061 have the same algorithm.

Mickle T.

Fqi> Hello, Mickle
Fqi> I reread the manual, but I'm not sure to understand it correctly,
Fqi> it seem to me that Refresh command writes the actual Calibration
Fqi> constants to EEPROM. I haven't tried yet to recalibrate it.
Fqi> Now I'm curious if this eeprom is corrupted.
Fqi> Since now I don't have all the necessary to calibrate it I don't
Fqi> want to try yet.

Fqi> Fabio.

REFRESH command description from the 7071 manual: 8.3.2 CALIBRATE, REFRESH This command enables a refresh of the NVM, i.e. the present calibration constants are written back into the NVM. The sequence of operation is as follows: * Microprocessor checks both pages of the NVM. * First correct page is down-loaded to the RAM. * Microprocessor checks the RAM * RAM contents are written into both pages of the NVM. * Microprocessor checks both pages of the NVM. ... * One of the following messages will appear: REFRESH COMPLETE - refresh has been successful and no faults have been found. REFRESH COMPLETE NVM PAGE 1 WAS FAULTY - refresh has been successful. Page 1 of the NVM was originally faulty but is now correct. REFRESH COMPLETE NVM PAGE 2 WAS FAULTY - refresh has been successful. Page 2 of the NVM was originally faulty but is now correct. REFRESH FAIL RAM COPY FAIL - refresh has been unsuccessful as the RAM copy is faulty. REFRESH FAIL NVM PAGE 1 IS FAULTY - refresh has been unsuccessful. Page 1 of the NVM is faulty. REFRESH FAIL NVM PAGE 2 IS FAULTY - refresh has been unsuccessful. Page 2 of the NVM is faulty. REFRESH FAIL NVM PAGE 1 & 2 ARE FAULTY - refresh has been unsuccessful. Both pages of the NVM are faulty. I think 7061 have the same algorithm. Mickle T. Fqi> Hello, Mickle Fqi> I reread the manual, but I'm not sure to understand it correctly, Fqi> it seem to me that Refresh command writes the actual Calibration Fqi> constants to EEPROM. I haven't tried yet to recalibrate it. Fqi> Now I'm curious if this eeprom is corrupted. Fqi> Since now I don't have all the necessary to calibrate it I don't Fqi> want to try yet. Fqi> Fabio.
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Fred Schneider
Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:27 PM

I also do not understand the refresh. Still not after this text, but that is because I do know nothing about digital stuff. I was thinking it as a sort of reset to factory calibration. But it writes the RAM to a EEPROM. Does that mean that the battery not hold the calibration I do in RAM when it is switched of for a while ? That would explain some problems.
Or is it just in case the battery gets empty or  is replaced ?
I did not dare to try it because I was afraid that I removed firmware or other things so my meter will not function.

I heard from other 7061 users it can get very hot. The current draw is within specs. Without manual I do not know the allowed ripple or where to measure witch voltage, so I meaured on the filter caps for ripple and that did not look strange. To be sure I checke the caps and they were OK

Besides a voltnut I'm a component measurement freak. I have a whole arsenal of component testers, from Curvetracer, via LCR meters ( commercial and home build)  to VNAs.
I measure capacitance down to fF, resistors up to petaOhms, coils down to nHs. Measure parasitics from components just for fun. If I fix a meaurement instrument (and i do that a lot) i alway examine the bad parts. So if I find a bad electrolyte or cap, i replace it but keep the bad one apart for measurement. I check ESR, soakage, capacitance, DC leakage, sometimes frequency behaviour and if it is strange enough I take it apart. http://www.pa4tim.nl/?p=1385. This one i used in a story about cap testing. It was reduced to a few pF. Inside the electrode was rotten away. And I was crazy enough to build the new one in this old housing ( it is from a  beautifull tek 1S1 sample plugin)

Fred PA4TIM

Op 26 feb. 2012 om 17:15 heeft Михаил timka2k@yandex.ru (Mickle) het volgende geschreven:

REFRESH command description from the 7071 manual:

8.3.2 CALIBRATE, REFRESH
This command enables a refresh of the NVM, i.e. the present calibration
constants are written back into the NVM. The sequence of operation is as
follows:

  • Microprocessor checks both pages of the NVM.
  • First correct page is down-loaded to the RAM.
  • Microprocessor checks the RAM
  • RAM contents are written into both pages of the NVM.
  • Microprocessor checks both pages of the NVM.
    ...
  • One of the following messages will appear:
    REFRESH COMPLETE  - refresh has been successful and no faults have
    been found.
    REFRESH COMPLETE NVM PAGE 1 WAS FAULTY
  • refresh has been successful. Page 1 of the NVM was originally faulty but is now correct.
    REFRESH COMPLETE NVM PAGE 2 WAS FAULTY
  • refresh has been successful. Page 2 of the NVM was originally faulty but is now correct.
    REFRESH FAIL RAM COPY FAIL
  • refresh has been unsuccessful as the RAM copy is faulty.
    REFRESH FAIL NVM PAGE 1 IS FAULTY
  • refresh has been unsuccessful. Page 1 of the NVM is faulty.
    REFRESH FAIL NVM PAGE 2 IS FAULTY
  • refresh has been unsuccessful. Page 2 of the NVM is faulty.
    REFRESH FAIL NVM PAGE 1 & 2 ARE FAULTY
  • refresh has been unsuccessful. Both pages of the NVM are faulty.

I think 7061 have the same algorithm.

Mickle T.

Fqi> Hello, Mickle
Fqi> I reread the manual, but I'm not sure to understand it correctly,
Fqi> it seem to me that Refresh command writes the actual Calibration
Fqi> constants to EEPROM. I haven't tried yet to recalibrate it.
Fqi> Now I'm curious if this eeprom is corrupted.
Fqi> Since now I don't have all the necessary to calibrate it I don't
Fqi> want to try yet.

Fqi> Fabio.


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I also do not understand the refresh. Still not after this text, but that is because I do know nothing about digital stuff. I was thinking it as a sort of reset to factory calibration. But it writes the RAM to a EEPROM. Does that mean that the battery not hold the calibration I do in RAM when it is switched of for a while ? That would explain some problems. Or is it just in case the battery gets empty or is replaced ? I did not dare to try it because I was afraid that I removed firmware or other things so my meter will not function. I heard from other 7061 users it can get very hot. The current draw is within specs. Without manual I do not know the allowed ripple or where to measure witch voltage, so I meaured on the filter caps for ripple and that did not look strange. To be sure I checke the caps and they were OK Besides a voltnut I'm a component measurement freak. I have a whole arsenal of component testers, from Curvetracer, via LCR meters ( commercial and home build) to VNAs. I measure capacitance down to fF, resistors up to petaOhms, coils down to nHs. Measure parasitics from components just for fun. If I fix a meaurement instrument (and i do that a lot) i alway examine the bad parts. So if I find a bad electrolyte or cap, i replace it but keep the bad one apart for measurement. I check ESR, soakage, capacitance, DC leakage, sometimes frequency behaviour and if it is strange enough I take it apart. http://www.pa4tim.nl/?p=1385. This one i used in a story about cap testing. It was reduced to a few pF. Inside the electrode was rotten away. And I was crazy enough to build the new one in this old housing ( it is from a beautifull tek 1S1 sample plugin) Fred PA4TIM Op 26 feb. 2012 om 17:15 heeft Михаил <timka2k@yandex.ru> (Mickle) het volgende geschreven: > REFRESH command description from the 7071 manual: > > 8.3.2 CALIBRATE, REFRESH > This command enables a refresh of the NVM, i.e. the present calibration > constants are written back into the NVM. The sequence of operation is as > follows: > * Microprocessor checks both pages of the NVM. > * First correct page is down-loaded to the RAM. > * Microprocessor checks the RAM > * RAM contents are written into both pages of the NVM. > * Microprocessor checks both pages of the NVM. > ... > * One of the following messages will appear: > REFRESH COMPLETE - refresh has been successful and no faults have > been found. > REFRESH COMPLETE NVM PAGE 1 WAS FAULTY > - refresh has been successful. Page 1 of the NVM was originally faulty but is now correct. > REFRESH COMPLETE NVM PAGE 2 WAS FAULTY > - refresh has been successful. Page 2 of the NVM was originally faulty but is now correct. > REFRESH FAIL RAM COPY FAIL > - refresh has been unsuccessful as the RAM copy is faulty. > REFRESH FAIL NVM PAGE 1 IS FAULTY > - refresh has been unsuccessful. Page 1 of the NVM is faulty. > REFRESH FAIL NVM PAGE 2 IS FAULTY > - refresh has been unsuccessful. Page 2 of the NVM is faulty. > REFRESH FAIL NVM PAGE 1 & 2 ARE FAULTY > - refresh has been unsuccessful. Both pages of the NVM are faulty. > > I think 7061 have the same algorithm. > > Mickle T. > > Fqi> Hello, Mickle > Fqi> I reread the manual, but I'm not sure to understand it correctly, > Fqi> it seem to me that Refresh command writes the actual Calibration > Fqi> constants to EEPROM. I haven't tried yet to recalibrate it. > Fqi> Now I'm curious if this eeprom is corrupted. > Fqi> Since now I don't have all the necessary to calibrate it I don't > Fqi> want to try yet. > > Fqi> Fabio. > > > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there.